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#31 kaxa

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 05:23 PM

as i got an idea bcmsn + bsci + tshoot is valid ccnp 3 years and the best combination choice for people who has passed bcmsn and bsci already.
but i wonder how can i register for tshoot beta exam, i mean where can i found promo code? by which help this exam
is registered?

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 05:47 PM

Already have BSCI, if I now take ONT/ISCW before 31st July (and pass), can I avoid the new TSHOOT exam..... then take SWITCH later? The Cisco combo tool seems to say it is ok, but want to make sure I am reading it right. Can anybody confirm this?
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 09:21 PM

Already have BSCI, if I now take ONT/ISCW before 31st July (and pass), can I avoid the new TSHOOT exam..... then take SWITCH later? The Cisco combo tool seems to say it is ok, but want to make sure I am reading it right. Can anybody confirm this?

Looking at the information on Cisco's Certification & Communities Online Support pages the situation is pretty clear. One of their Instant Answers says

Candidates for CCNP who do not complete all their certification by July 31, 2010 will be required to pass the TSHOOT exam #642-832 to meet the requirements for certification.

as well as this one

Candidates in the process of obtaining their CCNP, who wish to certify before the new TSHOOT exam becomes required, must pass all the required exams on or before July 31 2010. After July 31, 2010, all CCNP candidates will be required to pass the TSHOOT exam.

There are also a couple of pages saying that the passing scores of the ISCW and ONT exams will expire on July 31, 2010.

Hence you can only avoid the new TSHOOT exam if you complete your CCNP certification before July 31, 2010. So you either pass ALL exams before this date or you have to pass the TSHOOT exam, even if you passed ISCW and ONT already. Anyway, the recommended order of the CCNP exams has always been to do the routing and switching exams first, then tackle the rest. So if you follow this recommendation you will surely stay out of trouble.
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Posted 27 January 2010 - 09:31 PM

i wonder how can i register for tshoot beta exam, i mean where can i found promo code? by which help this exam is registered?

As previously mentioned the exam code will be #643-832. Cisco announced that candidates can register and take the beta from February 16 through March 26, 2010, so that registration might not be available until February 16 (or slightly before). Seems that we simply need a bit of patience...
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 06:54 AM

I've got my BSCI & BCMSN already and have been stuying ICSW for a while now on and off (struggling with motivation) so i will probably attempt ISCW & ONT before July 31st. I agree with what others have said on the site, as whilst Cisco are probably upping the content of the imaginatively named "ROUTE" & "SWITCH" exams it still gives you no exposure to IPSec MPLS DSL services and QOS. All modern networks have and use these services (are they seriously saying a CCNP engineer won't encounter Voice?) so unsure as to why they're taking them out. They dropped the old Troubleshooting exam from the previous CCNP track as it was ridiculous because nobody troubleshoots a problem to Cisco standards especially not at 3am on a call out and all you want is your kip! ;-)

Anyway like others this is my 2 cents worth
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 07:32 AM

There are also a couple of pages saying that the passing scores of the ISCW and ONT exams will expire on July 31, 2010.

Hi All,

A day or so ago i posted a link to the certification tool. The tool seemed to have a few issues with some paths to the new CCNP, so I notified cisco. This was their response.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention, the tool is not reflecting the correct information.

Based on the exams that you have already completed you will be required to take either the BCMSN or SWITCH exam plus the ONT exam in order to achieve the CCNP certification. The remaining exams will need to be completed before July 31, 2010.

For more information on the mix and match options, please visit http://ciscocert.cus...elated/1/sno/0.


So in short it looks like they'll be modifying their tool to better reflect the possible paths AND the combination's listed above (as they are my combination's having sat ISCW and BSCI) must be sat prior to July 31, 2010. Should you want to avoid the new curriculum.

Frankly, I think the new curriculum is cool. BUT, i am about 80% into ONT so i had better finish it off.

HTH...

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 07:55 AM

I've got my BSCI & BCMSN already and have been stuying ICSW for a while now on and off (struggling with motivation) so i will probably attempt ISCW & ONT before July 31st. I agree with what others have said on the site, as whilst Cisco are probably upping the content of the imaginatively named "ROUTE" & "SWITCH" exams it still gives you no exposure to IPSec MPLS DSL services and QOS. All modern networks have and use these services (are they seriously saying a CCNP engineer won't encounter Voice?) so unsure as to why they're taking them out. They dropped the old Troubleshooting exam from the previous CCNP track as it was ridiculous because nobody troubleshoots a problem to Cisco standards especially not at 3am on a call out and all you want is your kip! ;-)

Anyway like others this is my 2 cents worth


Webslinger,

Think of it from a business perspective, they have the CCVP, the CCSP and the associated CCNA tracks. How are cisco to profit from you not going on to these certifications? Whilst i'm sure some people probably finish their CCNP R&S v5.0 and feel warm and fussy about their Voice and Security skills, fact is, the places that implement QoS and Voice don't implement it to the ONT standard and those who have Security don't implement it to the ISCW standard (the tacacs/dsl bits where great!).

Indeed, with the ONT material I'm currently studying (and the ISCW that I have done) it only had me think of how much i don't know. It's not a practical level of knowledge for an enterprise engineer..

Frankly the TSHOOT curriculum is cool. It's not about doing it to the nth degree at 3 in the morning, it's about being able to troubleshoot. So many engineers walk through the doors (far more certified than me) and have problems identifying faults. Knowing how to build a network will keep you in a job for a couple of months, knowing how to troubleshoot it (and troubleshoot it well) is going to keep you that job.

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Posted 28 January 2010 - 07:18 PM

Good point and there is definately the money making element from Cisco! I see what you mean about ISCW being more an overview in some areas. I'll never use MPLS in my current role but it's nice to know. The DSL and IPSec elements of the book are definately practical but still don't see the point of them pushing the SDM element as asking people what a certain screen in SDM has the option of how to create an IPS policy isn't really relevant either. you could argue all day about Cisco's content. I'm nearly ready to take ISCW so will do that and then do ONT, for completeness and enjoying punishment I might do the TSHOOT one as well if people write good things about it. ;-)
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Posted 28 January 2010 - 08:17 PM

I think Cisco cert are now in great order. If you want to follow R&S do CCNA, CCNP and CCIE R&S or if you want to be Security do CCNA, CCNA Sec and CCSP then CCIE Sec.

I think current change in CCNP track increased value of CCSP and CCVP certs, which should have been done long time ago. Now Cisco want specialist in particuler areas not jack of all trade in Cisco world. Its good move in my eyes.
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Posted 29 January 2010 - 07:19 AM

First of all I think it is great news that exams will be updated.

From the combo site I got "CCNP Achieved - ROUTE, SWITCH, TSHOOT". Which means 3 exams instead of four. Is this right?
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Posted 31 January 2010 - 03:57 AM

As someone just starting their CCNP, I welcome the change. I'm gonna assume that the new curriculum will cover fewer areas in more detail. The current CCNP touches on a few subjects such as Wireless, Multicast and few others. I've always preferred the specialist approach to such subjects. Hopefully the new CCNP will allow those starting it fresh to really get to know the areas in much greater depth.

For those who only have one or two more of the current modules to complete, I do sympathise as you've put in the hard work, only for it to potentially be torn down.

Onwards and upwards!
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Posted 31 January 2010 - 02:39 PM

From the combo site I got "CCNP Achieved - ROUTE, SWITCH, TSHOOT". Which means 3 exams instead of four. Is this right?

Yes, but I think TSHOOT will be hard exam ( at least for those who do not like troubleshooting)
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Posted 31 January 2010 - 09:33 PM

hello every body :lol:
i want to applay to tshoot exam
but i don't hove any book for this exam :(

please can any one but download link for this book in this Forum and i preffer to be free :D

good look

Edited by nazmi, 31 January 2010 - 09:35 PM.

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#44 Punky

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 10:15 PM

Hi,

I have passed BSCI and BCMSN,but i don't have time to pass ISCW and ONT,how can i get my CCNP which exam should i take.

Thanks
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Posted 01 February 2010 - 10:39 PM

Hi,

I have passed BSCI and BCMSN,but i don't have time to pass ISCW and ONT,how can i get my CCNP which exam should i take.

Thanks

Passing the upcoming TSHOOT exam will do the job. BSCI + BCMSN + TSHOOT --> CCNP
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#46 nazmi

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 10:43 PM

hi

if you pass both exam bcmsn and bcsi then you can pass finally new exam tshoot with me

but we need book to study
please if you find the book put it in this forum

good lock for every body
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#47 namo

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 11:13 PM

hi friends

If i pass BCSMN now. can i complete router and tshoot after 31st july 2010 and get ccnp certified?


namo
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#48 nazmi

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 11:41 PM

hi friends

If i pass BCSMN now. can i complete router and tshoot after 31st july 2010 and get ccnp certified?

yes you can prepare your self with me to apply to tshoot exam in 16-3 which is my birth day
namo


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#49 kaxa

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 11:54 PM

Ok guyes,



Lets say that EVERYODY IS WAITING FOR TSHOOT study book, so if anybody get it please share it with me and vice versa :)

Edited by kaxa, 01 February 2010 - 11:56 PM.

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 03:54 AM

Hello Everybody,
Hope all is fine.

I want to know is there any requirement of professional experience for CCNP certification or not. Second the cost of each CCNP new exam is increased to $200 or not.

thanks in advance.
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Posted 02 February 2010 - 04:57 AM

Hello Everybody,
Hope all is fine.

I want to know is there any requirement of professional experience for CCNP certification or not. Second the cost of each CCNP new exam is increased to $200 or not.

thanks in advance.

Experience is no official requirement. However, you need a lot of hands-on experience to pass the exams. ;) The only official prerequisite is a valid CCNA certification.

Yes, the official price for the new exams has increased to $200 each but some parts of the world, e.g. the EURO countries might be slightly different. Anyway, the total costs to achieve your CCNP have not changed. 4 x $150 = 3 x $200 ;)
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Posted 02 February 2010 - 07:55 PM

First of all, STOP SHOUTING!!! This is considered to be rude behaviour!

Secondly, why do you think these sections are labelled "NO REQUESTS IN THESE FORUMS"? These sections are for technical discussions only!

Finally, these books are copyrighted materials so that sharing is not allowed in any section of this forum! Any links to such materials will be deleted as soon as we notice them!

Edited by Sunfish, 02 February 2010 - 07:56 PM.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 05:56 AM

Experience is no official requirement. However, you need a lot of hands-on experience to pass the exams. ;) The only official prerequisite is a valid CCNA certification.

Yes, the official price for the new exams has increased to $200 each but some parts of the world, e.g. the EURO countries might be slightly different. Anyway, the total costs to achieve your CCNP have not changed. 4 x $150 = 3 x $200 ;)


Dear Sunfish

Thanks for the clarification, actually I was confused by the email of Cisco which states that new CCNP has been designed for engineers having atleast one year professional experience.
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 12:55 AM

Hi Everyone,

I've been a CISCO fan for a while now and only have a CCNA under my belt. I'm studying BSCI now and would like to know when CBT nuggets will release Vids for the new CCNP?

Thanks all
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 01:28 AM

Hi Everyone,

I've been a CISCO fan for a while now and only have a CCNA under my belt. I'm studying BSCI now and would like to know when CBT nuggets will release Vids for the new CCNP?

Thanks all

the new CBT will be relesead verry soon. i am Geremi cyoara and ai assure you that our products will become available tomorrow. stay tuned!
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 06:13 AM

Just a general question for a person who just passed CCNA.

Judging from the blueprints of the exam, it's not a feasible solution to tackle the TSHOOT beta exam to save some cash without having prior knowledge in ROUTE and SWITCH right?

Thanks all.
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#57 meigloo

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 06:21 AM

Just a general question for a person who just passed CCNA.

Judging from the blueprints of the exam, it's not a feasible solution to tackle the TSHOOT beta exam to save some cash without having prior knowledge in ROUTE and SWITCH right?

Thanks all.

in old ccnp format BSCI , BCMSN , ISCW and ONT the order was not so important.
in the new CCNP you should take ROUTE, SW and only then exam TRBLSH.
not really going to do troubleshooting if you do not know the technology that is supposed to fix it
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#58 eten

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 06:33 AM

in old ccnp format BSCI , BCMSN , ISCW and ONT the order was not so important.
in the new CCNP you should take ROUTE, SW and only then exam TRBLSH.
not really going to do troubleshooting if you do not know the technology that is supposed to fix it


Thanks for the answer.
So I guess people who can take advantage of the beta price are those who already passed BSCI & BCMSN.

And meigloo, you are Geremi cyoara? Isn't your name spelled Jeremy Cioara? Anyways, I enjoyed your CCNA nuggets video which helped me a great amount to pass the exam.
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 06:51 AM

Thanks for the answer.
So I guess people who can take advantage of the beta price are those who already passed BSCI & BCMSN.

And meigloo, you are Geremi cyoara? Isn't your name spelled Jeremy Cioara? Anyways, I enjoyed your CCNA nuggets video which helped me a great amount to pass the exam.

:)))) man..come on.. i-m not Jeremy(What wonderful man!:) ).
was a joke for that question about the new cbt's releases (exist google..and especially the official site CBT:P)
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 03:54 PM

I have completed CCNA exam(640-801).I will be able to follow new CCNP track??Is there any constraint for old CCNA holder????
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