[mtolbert]

I would dare say that you had other skills beyond simply having certs which made you beat out the others. Certs alone will not get you a job.

[peekho]

In my location, if you don't have an MCSE (or at least an A+) you won't have much chance of getting an interview unless it's a really lame job or you know somebody. I don't think the MCSE is useless at all, besides, it looks great in a frame .
Congratulations Airmaui, getting through an interview is a lot harder than passing the exams.

[imvincent]

Any IT certs would guarantee you that you will be always be in the shortlist of the HR persons but it would not guarantee you work. Just a high percentage that you would be hired.

Leaned from my expirence.

[bnr]

I have a MCSE (recently upgraded to MCSE 2003), CCNA, CCNP and while I am not actually looking for a new job, I've sent my resume out a few times and haven't seen much response.

I'm not really pushing my resume out there, I was just checking the job market, but I am still a little disapointed with the results.

I thought the job market might be picking up, but so far it doesn't seem too hot.

My point though, is that certs alone won't necessarily get you in the door in this job market.

Are others having a different experience? Maybe my resume is just lame.

[buttolivia]

Hi all,
Apart from the Certificate itself, your past working experience also played a vital part to get hired.

[fijilearner]

bnr, on Aug 20 2004, 07:02 AM, said:

I have a MCSE (recently upgraded to MCSE 2003), CCNA, CCNP and while I am not actually looking for a new job, I've sent my resume out a few times and haven't seen much response.

I'm not really pushing my resume out there, I was just checking the job market, but I am still a little disapointed with the results.

I thought the job market might be picking up, but so far it doesn't seem too hot.

My point though, is that certs alone won't necessarily get you in the door in this job market.

Are others having a different experience? Maybe my resume is just lame.

Some instances I've seen that it is a disadvantage to be over-qualified for the job you're applying for.

[liquid]

My certs helped me quite a lot to get to the interview, once you get there certs dont exist and you have to deliver your knowledge.

Im from Spain i have MCSE & MCSE 2003, SCSA, SCNA, Comptia Linux+, Lpic Level 2
and when i do a massive send out for job aplications for a week, you could say 50 aplications, i get like 3 or 4 calls for interviews normally solaris stuff(love this OS), but once you get to the interview if you dont know anything your dead, in the company where i work now when i went to the interview for the 3rd day they made me sit in front of a solaris machine almost diying they gave me the tapes and told me to restore the machine, god i was sweating, but everything went ok, but once again to get the job u have to know your stuff.


byeps

[deadhead]

It looks like it's the same al over the face of the planet!!

when some top management person looks at your CV ( wich takes from 1 to 3 minutes average) and sees that you are certified in something, then he/she thinks

" hum , that person invested quite some money and time in him/her self, let's give him a shot, he/she might be good"

so it looks like that one of the major benifits of a cert is TO GET YOU AN INTERVIEW, not a job , other qualifications and experience and your communication skills are the things that gets you the job

So certs help , but they are not the only factor in anything, they are like apetizers to your main resumee dish

[ninja911]

well the first step in being able to have an interview is ur CV & how many certifications do you have...Because without certifications, u will never be invited to an interview..
I got my Job because i had a CCNP, & my manager told me he made 6 interviews, and other had 7 or 8 months of experience while i hadnt , but he took me because i had a CCNP & they hadnt any extra certifications...you see what i mean!!!

[ngmy28]

I don't think certificiate just like MCSE,MCSA,MCDBA,CCNA,CCNP is useless, at least this kind of the cert will make us more easlier to have a interview opportunity , even u have many experience and skill in IT job, but if u haven't such "USELESS" cert, the opportunity for u to find a GOOD job is harder, IF u have many experience plus such "USELESS" cert, the chance to got a GOOD job is easiler! Agree?

[pkchan60]

I have a degree in Computer Science but when I search the job, it is not easy. After I have earned the Cert, I have interview and now have a good job now.
I think the cert is important than your degree becacuse it is more practical than your academic in the University!

[zcc]

It depends on the country as well, I have a Master Compouter Engineering and MCSE... as listed in the signature and barely got a job with low salary relatively. In addition of 7 years real experiance...
But as I always say, do all what u can to support ur CV as well as ur knowledge and experiance.

[pkchan60]

Do you think IT job is not good in the future because the salary become lower and lower. What is the bright road of the IT. I can't see it at this moment. Just know that I need to work day by day and day by day unitl I die.

[raf]

Lets say according to Country


which country is good for job with certifications?

USA? CANADA?AUSTRALIA? ETC


raf

[deadhead]

about that country talk , a friend of mine from UK ( he's in the position that gives him the uppe hand in hiring IT personnel) told me that they'd prefer to hire NON university grads with certs than hiring graduates with or without certs and experience , and that is because you can hire 2 (or more) really good , not so self-centered professional IT personnel for the price of one university graduate

I'm not quite sure , but i think it's almost the same idea all over the planet , we are no longer talking about countries , the planet just got very small in the past decade , i mean it , management theories are the same anywhere in planet earth , eskimo or zimbabwe

[jhferry]

Here in the NY area certs are a must as their is still a lack of jobs. It not regarded as highly between techs but the stupid HR people need a way to filter the hundreds of resumes they get.

So not having a cert is an easy way to get weeded out.

[try_me]

pkchan60, on Sep 19 2004, 09:14 AM, said:

I think the cert is important than your degree becacuse it is more practical than your academic in the University!

i 70% agree with this sentence, cert is something generally prove ur practical and product specific skills.

but cert is not evrything nor university degree. both of them has its own purpose to serve. MCSE serves and prove ur knowledge of MS product, CCNP serves and prove ur knowledge about cisco product. at the smae time Universities serve and educate social, they r not slave of microsoft or cisco nor they serve them, what they serve is our soceity, our community.

a company that is using windown server 2003 will be happy and smile to c ur MCSE and u have a good chance to get a job, but they will drop u rite away if they c ur RHCE, and u loose ur appotunity and job instead of get by cert.

at the same time, ur MCSE or CCNP or RHCE will mean nothing to NGO, UN and most international agencies, but ur degree. i have seen this myseft, ur product specific nearly mean nothing here as mine, ur MCSE won't prove that u r a scientist, ur CCNP won't prove tha tu r a resercher, ur RHCE won't teach or test any of ur skill in writing a proposal, writing a master plan, conduct a reserch plans for any IT project. especialy when it comes to technology conferences, u will be some what alone in a jungle when they talk about fuzzy logic, algoritm design etc, as u can c here ... ur degree and research papers will prove ur skills here, not ur certs.

all of u who keep asking this question know the answer well. it is the same asnwer that why u don't apply for a position of marketing or accounting while u r hoding MCSE? u have seen it alot in newspapers, but why don't u apply for it ?

what i want to say here is that MCSE or CCNP or Master degree or whatever !!! it has it own purpose to serve, their value are unique, Yes their VALUE, not that piece of paper. most of big and good organization consider ur value as their value. so make sure u have some value they r looking for... u will normally get a chance